Comments on Fuxoft's Blog: Google Android: Perfect For Some People

If you live in Czech Republic and watch football r...

2009-03-04T08:49:00.000+01:00

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Palm for me too, pls.

Also .. I always laug...

2009-02-16T11:21:00.000+01:00

Palm for me too, pls.

Also .. I always laughed when someone tied Google and Big brother together. After trying to remove GoogleUpdate.exe from my computer I won't laugh anymore.

But then .. when Palm will hit stores, Android will mature a bit. As it looks sad now with WM6 dominating, it will look better toward end of the year.

Well, while Android looks interesting, I think I'l...

2009-02-15T19:09:00.000+01:00

Well, while Android looks interesting, I think I'll rather wait for the Palm Pre. Now THAT looks like a true PalmOS successor.

Yes, that was me. I'm sorry about that, I didn't m...

2009-02-15T13:07:00.000+01:00

Yes, that was me. I'm sorry about that, I didn't mean to piss you off, but I had to say that :)

However I think we'll both agree that best thing about Android is that we can actually talk about all those things. The freedom of (mostly ;) free platform is a huge deal.

srakyi: Fortunately, I am not in a position where ...

2009-02-15T12:54:00.000+01:00

srakyi: Fortunately, I am not in a position where I HAVE TO WRITE SOMETHING for Android and must choose some kind of language / IDE right now. I just meant to say that I'd probably even prefer "reinventing the wheel" and working on the lowest possible level (DEX classes) instead of having to program in Java and understand the intricacies of Android Java IDE. This somehow reminds me of hacking ZX Spectrum's machine code. But all of this is highly theoretical. For now, I am glad that my phone allows me to be mobile and I am waiting until someone creates some other interesting language compiler for Android (or even user-friendly assembler/linker indepentend of Java). Android Lua is unfortunately out of question (at least in its current implementation) because IF I write something, I want it to be fully compatible Android application usable by non-hackers.

You were the Czech guy that spoke about Android at GDD? You pissed me off by saying that Android runs Java :)

4Fuxoft: yes, you're right. I have to admit that J...

2009-02-15T12:38:00.000+01:00

4Fuxoft: yes, you're right. I have to admit that Java (the language) is not elegant at all. But there are many interesting languages working on top of Java VM. And you can write pretty neat code in them...

Though for really big systems has statically typed and object oriented Java many advantages.

And writing in Dalvik bytecode? It's certainly possible (you can start by studying currently implemented opcodes http://bit.ly/2Qrk1), but I can't imagine writing useful app in reasonable time this way. All those abstract layers above bytecode helps a lot. You'd have to reinvent the wheel couple of times... and as you probably know from my talk on GDD - if you really want to go so deep, you don't even need Dalvik bytecode. Use whatever you can run on Linux :) But you won't be writing for Android anymore.

...for example - what about trying your favourite (or isn't it?) Lua? Some guys already did - http://bit.ly/11GiON

srakyi: I don't know why exactly but I hate both C...

2009-02-15T12:10:00.000+01:00

srakyi: I don't know why exactly but I hate both C and Java, they seem extremely cumbersome and non-elegant to me.

The "advantage of Dalvik" you mention is not seen as "advantage" in my eyes at all because to create class files you need to use Java. :) I'd rather create my own assembler to write directly in Dalvik bytecode, for example...

Why do you hate Java so much? :)
And do you hat...

2009-02-15T12:07:00.000+01:00

Why do you hate Java so much? :)
And do you hate Java as a language, or whole Java Platform?

BTW advantage of Dalvik is, that in fact you don't have to do compiler from any language do Dalvik. Only thing needed is (in theory) to transform .CLASS files generated by Java (or jython, groovy, jruby, scala...) compiler to DEX format. Unfortunately those dynamic languages aren't supported right now by Dalvik VM.

With new Google Sync service is possible sync Contacts/Calendar in any Windows Mobile based device (and also other device, but I'am not test it) with no new software installed. Thanks to agreement Google with Microsoft about ActiveSync protocol use. It's simple, it's work.